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Takeaways from shooting

February 28, 2013

A shotgun blast early Tuesday morning in a Saranac Lake living room is echoing through the community, and domestic violence isn’t the only the social issue that resonate....

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bjccd5

Mar-02-13 3:53 PM

Sorry Omar, forgot the police NEVER make tactical/procedural errors or not always on top of their game when it comes to confidentiality law. please forgive, I had a momentary lapse of reason.

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OmarLittle

Mar-02-13 1:55 AM

I'm sure all of you know the law better than the police do. I'll hold my breath and wait for the big lawsuit.

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bjccd5

Mar-02-13 12:23 AM

Omar, you are simply wrong. Plenty of confidentiality issues in this case. Rights violations from a couple entities. Stay tuned........ you'll understand someday. or not!

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EnjoyADK

Mar-01-13 10:57 AM

And what about all those dogs? Were the house walls enough to conceal their numbers from their neighbors? In hindsight, that seems incredible, but in reality, it's believable. -

Evidently yes it was.

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mittymick

Mar-01-13 2:47 AM

Hi Omar.

It is my understanding the victim had given a statement to SLPD.

The Privacy Rule in the HIPAA regulations state the victim/patient must give the medical person his/her consent to speak with law enforcement. The medical person in this case was Rachel Kriwox. The victim, according to Rachel Kriwox, stated she did not want the police involved. Rachel Kriwox did not get victim's permission to speak to law enforcement.

Plain and simple. HIPAA regs were broken. I believe Kriwox's statement to the state police crossed the line and quite frankly, I believe her statement to be very subjective.

Also, in my opinion, Kirox would have served the victim better by hooking her up with domestic violence workers, as opposed to badgering her.

AND THEN, the Adirondack Daily Enterprise exacerbated an already volatile situation.

I am very curious to know what reactions Chandler Ralph, Dr. Broderick and Dr. Dowidowicz have been.

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OmarLittle

Feb-28-13 10:40 PM

Bj, the nurse talked to the state police, the police wrote down what she said, and that police report is a public document. You could file a FOIL request and get it yourself if you wanted. There are no confidentiality issues here.

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bjccd5

Feb-28-13 10:19 PM

Omar: what part of a patient/nurse conversation becomes public (and reported on) in a police investigation that is not concluded? Perhaps the SLPD prematurely released the info. If so, another lawsuit!

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bjccd5

Feb-28-13 10:03 PM

WOW....This one sounds even too bizarre to be PC! This editorial must have been Ms Moore! One day after a tragic accident (fortunately didn't result in death), and investigation ongoing, and only speculation, the ADE is pretending to be Dr. Phil. After the last week of lousy reporting from ADE staff (of whom I hope were repremanded or fired), you publish this CRAP??? Really???? Am I not losing a sense of responsibility here? WOW PC, over the top dude!!!! Get a new job!!!!!!

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OmarLittle

Feb-28-13 9:45 PM

What did the nurse illegally release? Everything in the paper is from the statement she gave to the police, which is part of the publicly available police records.

HIPAA only applies to insurance and billing companies, and care providers -- doctors, hospitals, medics, firefighters. It does NOT apply to anyone else. Not to you, not to me, not to the police and not to a newspaper.

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concerned

Feb-28-13 9:27 PM

petey...i am surprised to see in another story in todays paper that you printed information that a nurse illegally released....i'm sure you know about federal hippa laws, or do you feel you are above the law.i don't read much about you that is good lately..

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OmarLittle

Feb-28-13 6:45 PM

Mitty, police reports are generally public information, unless there's a compelling reason to withhold them. As they should be in a free society. I don't see how anything in the article endangers anyone. Oleg and his lawyer will, of course, have access to the police report anyway whether or not it was in the Enterprise.

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OmarLittle

Feb-28-13 6:42 PM

Peter wrote that it's good to get to know your neighbors. Which it is. I don't think he's saying that the neighbors of this particular house should've done more than they did. You're reading too much into it.

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mittymick

Feb-28-13 5:38 PM

From "Old text sparked dispute, shooting"

"State police also took a statement that morning from Rachel Kriwox, an emergency room nurse at Adirondack Medical Center in Saranac Lake who treated the victim around 3 a.m. Tuesday morning."

Is it because State Police had in hand Ms. Kriwox statement regarding the victim, Adirondack Daily Enterprise feels it is okay to be part of the chain, breaking HIPPA?

When I first read the article, I was stunned with the info given regarding the victim.

I am going to go with the thought the Enterprise PTB have not a clue how much danger you have placed the victim and her children in. And then to write an opinion on the case.I cannot begin to comprehend WHY the Enterprise thought it necessary to print the victim's statement in the paper.

Please explain.

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Concussion

Feb-28-13 1:19 PM

"Neighbor" is right on. Even though I'm more than cordial with the persons who live next to me, it is none of my business to keep track of their particulars.

I know people in that neighborhood and they have logged various complaints with any number of "agencies" we have in this town. Nothing got done.

Someone had to get shot before anyone did anything and that someone wasn't me because I minded my own business.

Anyone else is more than welcome to intervene in their neighborhood particulars, just beware of the consequences.

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EnjoyADK

Feb-28-13 12:30 PM

If you lived in the area you would be shocked to learn that 17 dogs lived in the house. There were 1 or 2 dogs that would be chained up outside and they would have a few puppies on the front porch from time to time but not sure the neighbors are supposed to keep a running tab on that. Nor could one be able to tell if there were 1 or 5 kids in there. They kept to themselves. Maybe because of the conditions inside. But as far as saying neighbors should have been on higher alert or turned a blind eye to theses problems is simply untrue.

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pseudonym

Feb-28-13 12:08 PM

Kinda surprised to see quotes from a named nurse from the ER regarding domestic abuse.

Is that typical?

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Neighbor

Feb-28-13 11:45 AM

I think this is a very unfair editorial in regards to the neighbors of this home, myself included. I have had more then friendly interaction with them, but it is hard to communicate with people that isolate themselves. Obviously they did not want people involved in their business and a friendly hello was not going to change that. The dog situation was apparent, and the police were called many times regarding complaint of them. Also, there was agency involvement in this case prior to Tuesday. Why did neither of these agencies pick up on any of this? I personally always felt uneasy about the situation, which is even more of a reason to keep my nose out of it in fear of retaliation. I do not think you can make a accurate judgement of this situation when you were not living it.

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