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Comprehensive plan debated at public hearing

By CHRIS KNIGHT, Enterprise Senior Staff Writer
POSTED: July 27, 2010

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SARANAC LAKE - Village residents debated the merits of the draft comprehensive plan for the village of Saranac Lake and the town of Harrietstown during a 30-minute public hearing Monday night.

The product of three years of work, the draft comprehensive plan was recently submitted to the village and town boards by the all-volunteer Comprehensive Planning Committee. It's designed to guide future development in the community, and also serves as the legal basis for land use regulations in the village and town.

Supporters at Monday's meeting called it an important "road map" for the future of the village and town, while critics found it either too restrictive or not restrictive enough.

Some people also questioned whether the plan represents the interests of the community. The CPC based its recommendations on nine public meetings, attended by about 200 people, and the more than 750 responses it received to a community planning survey.

But Shawn Boyer said that wasn't enough.

"I don't think it's a fair thing to say that 756 people are shaping this plan," he said. "This community is more than 5,000 people, not including people in the town of Harrietstown. I think we need a little more input."

Others argued that the public has had plenty of opportunity to shape the plan.

"There was a public survey and public meetings," said David Staszack. "Seven-hundred and fifty-six people responded, and those are concerned individuals of Saranac Lake. You've had public input. People have had the opportunity before now."

Ray Scollin delivered a five-page letter to the board outlining his concerns with the plan. While he agreed that the current town and village plans need to be updated, Scollin said the CPC inserted its own "beliefs and ideals" into the plan and said the committee ignored changes already suggested by the two boards.

"I would strongly argue that there are portions within this draft that create unnecessary over-regulation," he said. "New layers of regulation would not be welcomed by the general public and it should not slip by on your watch."

Specifically, Scollin cited recommendations in the plan that encourage clustering of subdivisions, require housing developments to include affordable units and measures designed to protect open space and viewsheds - all of which he said would hamper private landowners and developers.

Mark Wilson, president of the Lake Placid Shore Owners Association, said the plan wasn't restrictive enough when it comes to invasive species.

"I think we have to re-address the section on invasive species to include real language to guard against the export of the weeds to other lakes in the surrounding area, throughout the state and the Northeast," Wilson said.

Wilson also compared the village and town comprehensive plan to the Lake Placid-North Elba Joint Land Use Code, a document that's been revised over the last three years.

"That document is full of specific concrete numbers and limits," he said. "By contrast, this document is vague. It's full of loopholes and contradictions in its recommendations. I think this needs to have teeth, and needs to have protections."

Lindy Ellis acknowledged that the plan isn't perfect, but said it's important for the village and town to have a plan in place.

"This is a reflective process that gives you a map," Ellis said. "It's not a steering wheel. The people who have their hands on the steering wheel are the elected officials."

"This is not a hard line set of rules," said former Trustee Susan Waters, who was involved in weekly meetings on the plan. "I hope the public understands that these are recommendations from this committee made up of citizens in the community. This board has the authority to make all the rules beyond that."

This was the first formal public hearing on the plan. The town board, which may hold its own hearing at some point, has called a special meeting at 6 p.m. Thursday to discuss the plan with town Attorney James Maher and Code Enforcement Officer Ed Randig.

The village is planning to hire a facilitator using a $75,000 state grant to revise the plan based on feedback from the public and the town and village boards.

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Contact Chris Knight at 891-2600 ext. 24 or cknight@adirondackdailyenterprise.com.

 
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adk1986
07-29-10 10:15 PM
I would be fully in favor however of more reasonably sized retail options. I think we do need to have some sort of reasonable retail space in Saranac Lake. But I don't want that space to take away from the unique atmosphere of town or the businesses which currently exist here. Note that the 1988 comprehensive plan also commented that development should try and preserve recreational opportunities and the atmosphere of the village. The 1988 plan has a lot of good ideas, but they need to be rewritten, re visioned, and refreshed for the 21st century. Don't you believe things change and that as they do new approaches may be required?

adk1986
07-29-10 10:10 PM
Well just a few things. For starters, the 1988 Comprehensive Plan makes to key points, that we are no longer a Tuberculosis Cure center and need to move our economy in a new direction and that our airport will be a key hub for shipping and cargo planes in the future. I think it's safe to say we have re-established ourselves as something other than a tuberculosis curing community since then. And I don't see very much of an opportunity if any for a "shipping hub" out of Lake Clear. There are many other ways the 1988 plan is no longer relevant or up to date. Furthermore, the 1988 plan does not address retail a whole lot more than the new comprehensive draft does. and the draft does call for the development of retail under 5000 square feet and encourages incentives to be available to attract that retail. As far as big box stores go no "standard" sized store today will ever come to Saranac Lake, we do not have the demand to support a Supercenter or the like.

poolman137
07-29-10 4:45 PM
Ok so is the "master plan " that has in place now gone bad???? The really bad thing that I have seen here in Saranac Lake since the end of the 80's as you say is that we have not had any "real Retail" come back into Saranac Lake..... Our leaders have let us down time and time again for this...... Now that many people WANT retail, it seems that others want to "control" that aspect of things..... How many times does the plan talk about bringing retail? It surely talks about the views and open spaces plenty...... See where I'm comming from now?

adk1986
07-29-10 11:08 AM
how do you think "laws" and policies come about? Perhaps through surveys and public input???? I have to admit I have not read all of the draft comprehensive plan and I am not as well informed about the specifics as I should be. However, the whole point of Comprehensive/Master plans is that they're living documents which are tweaked every several years and eventually rewritten. Do you really think nothing about Saranac Lake has changed since 1988 that the master plan may not cover? Most of our founders thought the constitution was a pretty good document yet the first thing they did after writing it was to add 10 amendments. Now there are 27 (one about every 7 years if they had been spread out evenly) Times change (even in little ol' Saranac Lake) and with them so must the documents which give them direction. After 20 years SL is overdue for a new Comprehensive/Master Plan. (I know the Comp Plan is not and should not be a set of laws as the constitution is but the anal

poolman137
07-28-10 3:47 PM
adk1986- I don't ever recall getting an envelope in the mail for this survey..... surveys are just surveys not law.............You still forgot to mention it's not just the village but all of the town of harrietstows as well and please go read the plan and see what "recomendations" are made by this created committee. We have a plan already here and this is just an overlap plan by people ( that worked hard) to change the direction of what the original plan is/was

adk1986
07-28-10 1:59 PM
PoolMan, would you like to see the Village spend MORE money paying someone to go door to door? My understanding is that the survey was sent to everyone in the village who gets a water bill. I believe that covers most of the population of Saranac Lake. The lack of responses would seem to show a certain amount of apathy on the part of Saranac Lake residents. If there really are so many people out there who DO NOT want change why didn't they send in the survey saying so? It was an open planning process. A committee cannot force participation.

poolman137
07-28-10 12:26 PM
adkchic- The public meetings drew about 200 people over 9 meetings...... do you think some of these folks were at ALL of the meetings????? This plan has no need to be here.... we have boards ( and some handpicked) that control things and we really don't need this overlap of control...... Saranac Lake has done fine without all of the committees, boards, and organizations.... that have been flocking here that last 10 or so yrs...... Just fess up and say that you want "controlled" growth and controlled open spaces........ Again for the tenth time..... GO DOOR TO DOOR and then come back with your inflamed results.......

adkchic
07-28-10 10:44 AM
If you want your opinion to be counted you should write a letter to the Village or Town Board instead of complaining here (but you would have to sign your name). The comprehensive plan was changed many times based on comments made by residents at public meetings. The committee members may not have all of the answers, but they certainly listen when a good solution is proposed.

groucho
07-28-10 7:55 AM
oh good, another plan. Just what this town needs. We could pave Broadway with all the "plans" we have. Here's an idea, LET's WORK ONE, just ONE! Any ONE! It's not enough to plan, you have to work it!

CarolB913
07-27-10 9:53 PM
RAY SCOLLINS you seem to be true to heart BUT i think you are played.....dont let them twist their "all for the village" intention into a lopsided playground here. regardless of the desire to rid this place of the "poor/undesireable elements" all elements of society are needed;;who else would the well-to-do use as stepstools??? be smarter than them dont play their games--you will lose.........................

poolman137
07-27-10 9:51 PM
Lets all remember that this plan is for the entire town of harrietstown residents as well as th Village residents..... another thing is that the committee is looking to get the plan put through and "then" have the land use codes adjusted to conform with it...... Bad idea..... Just a tid bit of info as well... the land use code for the "william Morris Play Park" is unknow to the village board and others.... so why did they give that land up????? Answer anyone??

debj12946
07-27-10 9:42 PM
Some people also questioned whether the plan represents the interests of the community---OF COURSE IT DOESNT !! WHY WOULD IT..... ONLY THE SLUMLORDS, REALESTATE AGENTS, LAWYERS, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, OLD MONEY SNOBS,, did i forget anybody????

Shonokins
07-27-10 7:27 PM
The idea that a plan doesn't have enough input is a common property rights advocate tactic to stall or scrap the plan. No plan would have enough input because it's the idea of a plan itself they don't like.

LinjiS
07-27-10 5:57 PM
The surveys were put out into the public. Anyone from outside the village could have filled them out and sent them back...or sent back numerous surveys.

phahn50
07-27-10 2:37 PM
poolman - 756 is a pretty good percentage of the village. how many people would vote in a special election? maybe about that many. Probably it would be the same people.

PNorthElba
07-27-10 2:18 PM
Key word here is recommendations.

tourist
07-27-10 1:44 PM
Isn't the purpose of elections is to select people for office who represent the opinions of the majority of the voters? When they stray from the majority's views, then its time for a change. I'm impressed that as many as 750 sent back the survey. How many were sent out?

adkerforever
07-27-10 1:10 PM
Like I said, you might need to READ the plan, which outlines many recommendations for the Village/Town that have absolutely nothing to do with regulation. Unfortunately the debate around this plan has centered on the proposed size cap (which is larger than the one in LP) and other development restrictions...and has ignored the other 3/4 of the plan. You don't want more development regulation, fine, we got it, but don't ignore or dismiss the fact that communities engaged in planning are better positioned to take advantage of any opportunity that arises. Planning does not have to be equated with regulation. The CP makes numerous recommendations related to improving economic development, housing, infrastructure, transportation, recreation and the arts. Are you really going to say that its all BS created by so-called "outsiders"?? Do you think we can't improve our housing situation? Economic situation? I know what you'll say, let everyone do what they want and the Village wi

FishCric
07-27-10 1:08 PM
look at the body languge, 2 looking at the floor,1 hugging himself - looks like a fine team

poolman137
07-27-10 12:44 PM
Oooops! " Challenge"....... and " you" don't .... typing fingers need some work.....

poolman137
07-27-10 12:39 PM
Lets get real!!!!! You and everybodys brother/sister know that calling meetings will only bring the few that want "change"..... Out of the 756 that took the survey how many said no to things??? ou don't say that do you? Here's a real chanlange to those wanting to "MOLD" a new area for there sake....... Go " DOOR TO DOOR" and ask your regulating questions in "simple language" ( lord knows how people can sugar coat things with twisted words) and then come back with the results..... OK???? Also do you really think that controling "open spaces" is being neighborly??????? Or the 45 K footprint for retail? Wake up! Nobody builds 3 and 4 story stores in areas like ours........

adkerforever
07-27-10 11:34 AM
But Shawn Boyer said that wasn't enough. "I don't think it's a fair thing to say that 756 people are shaping this plan," he said..."I think we need a little more input."

I second that GaryCanoe. Why is it that people always complain about not having a chance to participate AFTER they've been given plenty of chances to participate? You are at a PUBLIC HEARING, for the purpose of giving input, so let's here your suggestions instead of more complaining. Its not the CPC's fault that people have no interest in civic participation. Every attempt was made to hold meetings in a variety of locations and times around the village. A survey was distributed as well, for the folks who could not or would not attend a meeting. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?! If you live in the village and you feel like you've had no input on the plan, then get off your butt and give your input already. You might have to actually read the plan, but hey, reading never hurt anyone.

GaryCanoe
07-27-10 11:19 AM
(sry)....their best interest to care

GaryCanoe
07-27-10 11:19 AM
how many opportunities should the public be given? most obviously don't care or have not informed why it is in

LinjiS
07-27-10 10:32 AM
200 people attended the meeting, but that's probably the same 35 people each time. And plenty of people from outside the Village probably filled in those surveys and submitted them. The Village's taxpayers HAVEN'T spoken.

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