The Community Store — almost there
To the editor:
Just four years ago last month, we launched an effort to bring the first community-owned department store in New York state to the Tri-Lakes region (Lake Placid, Saranac Lake and Tupper Lake) by holding a town meeting at the Harrietstown Town Hall. More than 200 people attended, and by the end of the meeting, when we asked for a show of hands, virtually everyone in the room pledged to become an investor in this groundbreaking effort.
Well, I'm excited to report that we're almost there!
With the support of more than 500 people, the majority of whom are residents of the Tri-Lakes region, we've raised $445,000 in capital to date and need to sell only 550 more shares to reach our goal of $500,000 and open the store. A very big thanks to all of you who have supported this innovative effort to fill the gap left by Ames when it closed its door eight years ago.
We, the Interim Board of Directors and other volunteers, are working this summer behind the scenes to raise the additional capital needed but if you have been meaning to invest or reinvest and have not yet done so, now's the time to act. You can track our continuing progress, download the prospectus and more by going to our website at www.community-store.org, or simply call Melinda Little at 891-0197 or Alan Brown at 891-3464 for more information.
It's an exciting time here in Saranac Lake right now, given all of the projects on the horizon, and we're proud to be a part of it.
(Please note: Shares are sold by prospectus only to residents of New York state, ref. 07-1504.)
Melinda Little
On behalf of the Interim Board
The Community Store in Saranac Lake
Saranac Lake
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poolman137
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07-19-10 9:14 PM
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You absolutly know that these boards are handpicked ... don't play a fool... just go see who is on them and tell me different
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poolman137
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07-19-10 4:25 PM
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You will be you P- I will be me..... That is the absolute GREAT thing!!!!!!!!!
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PNorthElba
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07-19-10 10:27 AM
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To summarize: You: CS supporters are enjoying benefits of size cap Me: Village scraps size cap; board has problems with JCP You: JCP pg 32, tell me it does not involve a size cap Me: JCP pg 32: says "do not require a size cap", suggests a footprint size You: it may not SAY a size cap but height restrictions, fire codes etc. etc. Me: A recent multi-story structure has been built with apparently no problems; there are exceptions to footprint You: I wasn't involved in building recent multi-story building; exceptions would have to go through handpicked board. Me: Where in the JCP does it describe this handpicked board? You: My taxes are too high. Me: completely confused
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poolman137
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07-18-10 7:13 PM
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Hey P- You are the one that is like beating a dead horse so just bend the truth the way you want and be your merry self........ The right to argue what "people" want to do to the Village I live in, is my right ! Maybe if you lived inside the lines and paid 3 taxes and not 2 then maybe you would appreciate things in a different view........ Enjoy!
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PNorthElba
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07-18-10 2:43 PM
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poolman, I know I'm beating a dead horse, but the facts are Trudeau Institute did build a multistory structure recently. It appears there were no problems in getting it approved whether you were in on the engineering part or not. The point is, it proves your "informed" argument at 10:53 is nothing short of bogus. As for the "scrunty" the footprint exception would have to go through....please show me the details of the footprint "scrunty". There may or may not be a lot of scrutiny for such an exception, but right now the details are all in your own mind. Again, complete lack of an honest argument. An honest argument like "I wanted a Wal-Mart and we didn't get one" would be a lot more honest and convincing than what you've given so far.
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poolman137
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07-18-10 1:32 PM
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Hey P- This exception to the footprint would have to go through such scrunty to the handpicked boards.......... On the Trudeau Institute thing, I wasn't involved on the engeniering part of it so I couldn't help ya on that........
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phahn50
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07-18-10 12:23 PM
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P - dont forget "truthiness".
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PNorthElba
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07-17-10 8:35 PM
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Hmmmmm, I wonder how Trudeau Institute managed several stories new construction with all those height restrictions and firecode regulations? Also, you didn't address the fact there is an exception to the footprint and that everything in the JCP are clearly a just bunch of recommendations. You may be informed but you sure aren't honest in your arguments.
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poolman137
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07-17-10 10:53 AM
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Again p- It may not "say" a retail size cap but in all true reality, it is! a 45K footprint for a single store is regulation..... after all we know that the highth restrictions would make it impossible to have anything larger than 90K. Not to say the firecodes for a structure of more than one story would put such a burden on a prospective retailer that they would'nt even dream of being here!
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PNorthElba
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07-16-10 10:14 PM
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Ok pool, I went to page 32 of the JCP and I can tell you it does NOT require a size cap. It fact it uses the words "do not establish a size cap." It does suggest a fairly large maximum footprint. It also clearly has a footnote suggesting the footprint should be exceeded in certain instances. Notice I used the word "suggest". As far as I can tell from reading the JCP is that it's only a bunch of recommendations to the village and town. Why can't you guys be honest?
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PNorthElba
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07-16-10 7:03 PM
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"but the plan puts it back in if it is passed." So the "serious concerns" about the JCP don't involve the size cap? You can't seriously believe the plan is going to be passed with the new village board. I never said you were uninformed, I said you put up strawman arguments. Maybe you are uninformed on the definition of a strawman arguement.
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poolman137
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07-16-10 2:49 PM
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Hey P - I suggest that you look at the JCP page 32 and then tell me that there won't be a size cap..... I am not uninformed that the cape was repealed but the plan puts it back in if it is passed...... Don't think that I don't check things and don't assume that all of the people here are uninformed of the issues . I do know that the JCP board has done a lot of work and I commend them for it but this plan is controling..... If you want me to give you more info. with pages from the plan I will.....
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PNorthElba
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07-16-10 11:40 AM
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poolman, I suggest you read the May 25th Enterprise. See an article called "Village scraps interim retail size cap." While doing that, I suggest you read the July 8th edition of the Enterprise. Look for an article called "SL trustees plan for feedback on comprehensive plan." Especially read the 8th paragraph down. It says "Mayor Clyde Rabideau noted that a majority of town and village board members have "serious concerns" with some aspects of the plan." There is no retail size cap and there almost certainly will be no JCP. So there go your two strawman arguments.
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poolman137
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07-16-10 6:52 AM
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Hey Business- We complainers have the absolute right to complain when people come in and try to "control" what goes in here...... Don't kid yourself that this is not going on..... The main investors of the CS are enjoying the retail size cap idea and embracing it with arms wide open..... Not to mention the Draft Comprehensive plan with all of the wonderful controling ideas........
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business
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07-15-10 9:57 PM
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Why is it the do nothing complainers have such a problem with those who do something else besides complain about their lousy station in life? The CS does NOT preclude any other retail. If you don't like this CS idea, don't invest and don't go there. They aren't going to miss you!
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PNorthElba
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07-15-10 12:21 PM
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Guff, I know and I presume you also know that I've never said anything of the kind.
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GUFFSHENE
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07-15-10 11:48 AM
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Pnorth, i believe you and some of your ankle biting friends once stated that people who weren`t residents of the village should "butt out". Ever hear of "physician, heal thyself?" or practice what you preach in words you can understand.
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PNorthElba
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07-15-10 10:21 AM
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poolman, maybe you feel it would be helpful if the people who lived outside the village limits didn't do any business in SL.
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phahn50
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07-15-10 9:31 AM
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My niece works for Target. She's worked her way up to department manager and assistant store manager. She gets $11 an hour, no health care, and irregular hours. She is proud of where she has gotten with just a GED, but its not a great job. The people working at the hardware stores (and other retail - even Sears) who would lose their jobs and have to work at WalMart/Target might be worse off than they are now. And there is no guarantee that there would be more total jobs in the area than there are now. There might well be fewer. Shopping would be easier for many though. The community store, on the other hand isnt going to change much of anything - a few more jobs and another place to shop for some of what you need.
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Freddie
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07-15-10 9:26 AM
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Other than bluejeans, has anyone thought about exactly what it is we're going to be able to buy at this Community Store "at reasonable prices" that we can't already buy in Saranac Lake, say at Family Dollar? And how does the CS think it's going to be able to offer "reasonable prices" when it lacks even the start-up capital it needs to get going, after 4 years of trying? It's going to have to charge inflated prices, just to break even, just like any other independent, mom-and-pop type store that's not part of a national or regional chain or franchise that has high capitalization. If the people who've invested in this CS were smart they'd ask for their $$ back now, before the lawsuit and/or bankruptcy papers start flying.
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poolman137
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07-14-10 10:37 PM
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What ever P..... Im sure your NOT a village resident either....... It is the Village we are talking about right? If you pay village taxes and want to speak out about the out of villagers ( never said enviros) trying to control the VILLAGE then I have that right as I have been a village resident for more than 45 yrs. Just spit the truth out and tell us you don't want growth ( real growth that is) Again, Go to the Saranac Lake Free Library ( oh wait! we pay over 100,000.00) a year to that free library..... Village taxes!!!)
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PNorthElba
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07-14-10 9:45 PM
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Heck, if a majority of people want Wal-Mart to come to SL....then get them to come here. But for heavens sake quit whining. So poolman, who appointed all these think alike 'enviros' to the comprehensive planning committee? I'm really not sure. Was it elected officials? As for Sound Growth, Save SL etc. I don't care if the members live in SL or not. If they have concerns about the area in which they live and are willing to volunteer their time, I say more power to them. Everyone has that right. poolman, what is stopping you from starting a volunteer group that promotes growth in SL? They did it in Tupper Lake. What exactly is holding you back? Get together with DW, Schulzie, LinjiS, Freddie and concerned and do something. Maybe you can even get jack the klanner to chair your group.
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LinjiS
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07-14-10 9:01 PM
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PNorth - do your own typos bother you as much as other's? I know Walmart tried to come here more than once. Our elected officials should have been talking to their reps on our behalf; not self-appointed people who had the nerve to demand that Walmart negotiate with them.
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concerned
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07-14-10 8:16 PM
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p.s. to linjus..walmart did try to come here twice and were blocked both times .once at stanley chev and once across from club 86 .it wasn't the common man that stopped them.
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concerned
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07-14-10 8:10 PM
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the community store claims they will pay higher wages, carry better quality goods, give employees benefits, and sell for less!! anything that sounds to good to be true-----------------------! sounds like we'll get a walmart in the end as they cannot do what they claim they will and make a profit to share with stockholders.....it just can't be done......
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