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Mt. Matumbla trail closure angers local snowmobilers

By JESSICA COLLIER, Enterprise Staff Writer
POSTED: February 3, 2010

TUPPER LAKE - Local snowmobilers are upset because a frequently used trail in the Mount Matumbla area has been essentially taken out of commission.

The trail crosses land that was formerly owned by International Paper Company, but the state recently bought a conservation easement on the land, giving it public recreation rights there.

Previously, IP allowed the town of Tupper Lake to use the land, but since the state gained control of it, the town was required to apply to the DEC for a temporary permit to groom it for snowmobile trails.

The DEC rejected the application because the trail leads to a part of the Raquette River that is lined on both sides by state lands classified as primitive, said DEC Region 5 spokesman Dave Winchell.

Not only is it illegal for snowmobilers to ride on primitive lands, but it is also illegal and unsafe to cross the river in that area, Winchell said, which is something snowmobilers have been known to do there.

DEC staff and town representatives plan to meet later this week to sort out the issue.

In the meantime, many local snowmobilers have been upset about the closure, which they see as fuel to the fire of the local debate about keeping the town snowmobile-friendly versus stopping some sledders from riding through villagers' yards.

The village board and Mayor Mickey Desmarais have been outspoken against trespassing snowmobilers but have been careful to note that it is only a select few who are breaking laws. At January's board meeting, Desmarais and trustees discussed options for curbing the practice, including stepping up fines significantly and banning snowmobiles from the village entirely, something they said they would only do as a last resort.

The discussion has raised the ire of local snowmobilers and, Saturday night, one of them tore down an orange plastic fence erected to keep snowmobiles out and dropped it off outside the mayor's house nearby.

Snowmobiler Alex Logie said the Matumbla trail closed down last week, when people were worked up about Desmarais's comments, and since the trail is the only way out of town in that direction, some snowmobilers felt trapped.

"The timing of the closure was extremely unfortunate," Logie said.

Logie created a group on Facebook last week called "Tupper Lake Snowmobiling" with the goal of figuring out what was behind the trail closure. He said he tried to contact DEC several times but got no response.

The Matumbla trail is one of the few state-designated snowmobile trails that doesn't have railroad tracks on it, which require an extra 6 to 8 inches of snow to ride on, so it's one of the first that snowmobilers access at the beginning of the season. It's probably the most-used one throughout the year, Logie said.

"It's one of the favorite trails of the entire community," Logie said.

People who have hunting camps that are only accessible by those trails in the winter are also concerned about being blocked from their property, Logie said.

Logie said he thinks snowmobilers are getting frustrated about being seen in a bad light because of the few riders who break laws.

"I think they would like to hear things framed in a positive manner," Logie said. "A few people are giving us all a bad name."

 
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Hopefull
02-08-10 9:42 PM
truth be told log trucks use the same road all summer bringing in skidders timco's and hauling out logs nothing against logging but now the D.E.C want's to say a groomer or snowmobiles cannot use the same roads, that's just not logical

graymare47
02-03-10 11:22 PM
I can only agree with BMcClatchie....

LoveTheCold
02-03-10 9:05 PM
think lewis, it's possible

LoveTheCold
02-03-10 9:04 PM
join one club for each machine. This is just the old demon-crat divide and concur, don't be fooled. All incumbents must go. They reak of politics as usual.

vote people

adkman
02-03-10 4:51 PM
The time has come that we start banning together to protect our rights to use our land as we see fit. Threasa Sayward summed it up in a few words and we need to push for the abolishment of the APA and the strong armed tatics of the DEC.

jswhiteface
02-03-10 3:56 PM
You can only drive into Mt. Matumbla now if you happen to know the secret location of the key and your APA Chairman Stiles.

Vendair
02-03-10 3:16 PM
Hey impartial, why is that we have to change our ways. We've been riding there for years and on the streets. and who says I'm to loud and to late. Motercycles get to ride at night on street and their loud. They dont have to have "polite teach ins." You say "given their history" Go back to New Jersey and leave our history to us. Listen to this guy.

BMcClatchie
02-03-10 2:15 PM
Welcome to the People's Republik of the US and NY..****rade Patterson's DEC Gestapo are hard at work...

impartiallyobservant
02-03-10 12:04 PM
The sledders make a good point. But before they'll win much public support, they need to do more to police *themselves* and their fellow sledders re: crossing private property, operating too loudly and too late, etc.

The comment I question here is when the sledder says he wants the issue cast in a more positive light. OK. Good enough. But the people who truly control that are the sledders themselves, and I honestly haven't heard or seen much about the local sledding community taking steps to control illegal/impolite sledding practices.

When have local sledders called a meeting of their fellows to discuss these practices and propose solutions? When have they conducted safe/polite sledding teach-ins? When have they turned in one of their own for arrest?

It's not the public's job to "give sledders a break". Given their history, it's up to the sledders themselves to take positive actions to change what they believe to be negative public perception of their activitie

Fifthgenerationnative
02-03-10 11:51 AM
The State of New York and the DEC are out of control. America, home of the free, unless you live in the Adirondack Park in New York State. There are no freedoms here. There is a wicked double statdard here as during the fall, vehicles are allowed accross these "primitive corridors" for the privilage of accessing our hunting camps. The road is close to the river in more than one occasion, so what's the difference? And please don't get me started about the cost of registering your snowmobile and the money going to trails maint. And, when it comes to crossing bodies of water, I'm a big boy and I can decide for MYSELF!!!! if I'm going to take the risk or not. There's plenty of trails north of the border that include water crossings as part of their trail system with no problems at all.

Vendair
02-03-10 11:44 AM
Vender is right. We should be able to ride exactly where we want. The governent just wants to crush the small person. And who are they to tell us what ice is safe.

vendor
02-03-10 11:27 AM
The DEC rejected the application because the trail leads to a part of the Raquette River that is lined on both sides by state lands classified as primitive, said DEC Region 5 spokesman Dave Winchell.

Not only is it illegal for snowmobilers to ride on primitive lands, but it is also illegal and unsafe to cross the river in that area, Winchell said, which is something snowmobilers have been known to do there. This statement is complete un true. There are primitive corridors are created so snowmobiles can use primtive.

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