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Peak Oil writer speaks at college

‘Stuck in the psychology of previous investment’

By MIKE LYNCH, Enterprise Outdoors Writer
POSTED: May 5, 2009

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PAUL SMITHS - Standing in front of a projected images of downtown Las Vegas, author Jim Kunstler glanced back and forth between the screen and the crowd, repeating himself so the crowd would understand.

"I'm in favor of alternative energy," Kunstler said. "Just don't think you're going to run Las Vegas on it."

Kunstler, a Saratoga Springs resident, was talking to a mixed crowd of students and local residents at a special presentation at Paul Smith's College Monday evening. Kunstler is the author of several books. "The Geography of Nowhere," which included harsh criticism of U.S. suburbs, their strip malls and reliance on automobiles, was published about 15 years ago. His latest book, "The Long Emergency," published in 2005, "is about the challenges posed by the coming permanent global oil crisis, climate change and other 'converging catastrophes of the 21st Century.'"

For Kunstler, Las Vegas was the symbol of the American belief that you can get something for nothing, a metaphor for gambling. A place where the new religion is the "worship of unearned riches."

Las Vegas is also a city that thrives on oil consumption in the form of bright lights, oversized casinos and limousines.

These perks of a place like Las Vegas may be possible in a society with an unlimited supply of oil. But once the global demand for oil exceeds its supply and we hit "Peak Oil" - a stage we are in now, according to Kunstler - large cities and suburban communities will start to falter.

Societies with "imagined wealth" rely on growth to fuel their economies.

"Money and numbers have a certain metaphysical magic to them," Kunstler said.

But this magic - or technology, for that matter - won't be able to replace oil in running our cars, providing heat in our homes and transporting our food and goods great distances, according to Kunstler.

Kunstler talked about "complex systems" becoming "wobbly" and worsening on the other side of "Peak Oil" production. Trade and commerce, health care, job markets, education, food production and transportation are some of the main "complex systems," all of which are interconnected.

He sees the problem becoming much worse within 10 years, possibly within five.

Kunstler talked about how big-box stores such as Wal-Mart, which relies on a great deal of oil-based transportation because its cheap products are made in China, will begin to falter in the near future when oil makes transportation costs soar.

"We're going to have to rebuild Main Street economies," Kunstler said. "We're going to have to make a few things here in America."

The system of producing food on one coast and shipping it to the other will no longer be feasible once oil supplies diminish and costs rise.

"We're going to have to produce food closer to home," he said.

The wave of the future in transportation is in trains, not automobiles, according to Kunstler. Trains and ships are much more efficient than trucks for transporting large quantities of products. He said the automobile and airplane travel will become more of a privilege for the elite.

Here, in the Adirondacks, the tourism-based economy would be drastically affected by that.

"If you don't get the railroad running, you're not going to have tourism whatsoever," Kunstler said.

Kunstler said the railroad system should be improved nationwide.

"We have a railroad system that Bulgaria would be ashamed of," he said. "This should be our number-one priority."

Kunstler said that the big seven American oil-producing companies only account for 7 percent of the world's oil supply, and that Mexico's oil resources, our third leading supplier, are diminishing.

But finding energy resources from alternative energies, such as nuclear facilities and wind turbines, aren't the answer, he said. Kunstler said he supports those systems but believes they can't produce enough energy for our current demands.

Adjustments in our lifestyles will have to be made, including creating walkable communities and better public transportation systems. Those places built on large waterways are well positioned to survive because they can import and export goods, and those with rivers can produce energy.

"We've built a living arrangement in America with no future," Kunstler said. "We're stuck in the psychology of previous investment."

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Contact Mike Lynch at (518) 891-2600 ext. 28 or mlynch@adirondackdailyenterprise.com.

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(This article has been corrected.)

 
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thdger
05-11-09 2:31 PM
For a crash course on what Kunstler is talking about, visit, ***********chrismartenson****/

It is very easy for you to understand, since alot of this seems to be over our heads.

contrary1
05-07-09 3:46 PM
It isn't as much about vilifying resorts, as it is about causing people to rethink the whole concept of environmental tourism. Exploiting the environment to make money, in a nation that grades itself on growth, is a recipe for damage. Using Orwellian doublespeak to claim the exploitation process is good for the environment, doesn't negate the damage, it only makes you feel better about yourself as you drive your Suburban to the bank. Rather than fight the windmills so rich people can have vacation homes, be an example for the future and embrace them. I'd like to see a more localized approach to electrical generation too. Eliminate the grid entirely. The eco-tourism marketing campaign was created with a Pre-2K mindset. We live in a Post-2K world. Adapting isn't surrender.

DW12983
05-07-09 10:19 AM
If you vilify Las Vegas due to air flights for tourism then you'll have to agree that Hawaii is the largest polluter for tourist bucks. According to Hawaii, more than 7 million people visit each year. Now it’s 2551 air miles from Las Angeles to Honolulu Think about it!.

contrary1
05-07-09 9:33 AM
You aren't a bad person if you get duped into doing something bad, you're a sucker, a chump a maroon. If you continue doing it after your plausible deniability has been removed, you become a bad person.

DW12983
05-07-09 8:38 AM
The Tri-Lakes is in the middle of the freakin mountains. If it weren't for oil consumption, we would have no tourists. Does this make us bad people too? Is that why we need "Smart Grid" to charge us for oil and coal fueled power production and not the cleaner St. Lawerence Hydro Power we enjoy now? Remember the outrage about the additional charges for "Power Loss?"?

mowretired
05-06-09 5:10 PM
Did ya ever hear; That guy is takin in air that someone descent could be breathin!...Well that's Vegas they're takin up that "green" Hydro power that could be used for more legitimate purposes.ie folks that don't squander it! Folks that don't live in the desert.

contrary1
05-06-09 4:54 PM
It's in the middle of the freakin desert. If it weren't for oil consumption, they would have no tourists. Air travel consumes more oil than anything except war. If you close the Las Vegas Airport and stopped the limousines, the lights would go out and Vegas would revert back to it's original state. A freakin desert. So yes, the only reason the lights are still on in Vegas, is ravenous oil consumption. Regardless of the semantics. Without oil, you have no tourists. Without tourists, you can't afford to keep the lights on. This is like, Tourism 101. Without oil, Lake Placid wouldn't have any tourists either. You can't have eco-tourism, without a certain amount of eco-damage.

mowretired
05-06-09 4:51 PM
Scare!?!? If we've reached peak oil,and that ship sailed a long time ago, just how far is "Drill Baby Drill" gonna get us?

DW12983
05-06-09 4:19 PM
As far as the "Peek Oil" scare goes, we MAY have reached "Peek Oil" if we do not continue to drill and explore. Maybe it should be called "All Obama and the Socialists will allow us to find" oil.

DW12983
05-06-09 4:13 PM
The sentence "Las Vegas is also a city that thrives on oil consumption in the form of bright lights, oversized casinos and limousines." shows how little this person knows about this subject. Or it could show how he changes facts to conform to the "Global Warming" hysteria. Take your pick. The Hoover****powers Las Vegas. It has a power generating capacity of 2.8 million kilowatts. So, knowing the facts how is Las Vegas a city that thrives on oil consumption in the form of bright lights and oversized casinos when they use Hydroelectric Power to light, heat and cool the city?

adkrock
05-06-09 2:14 PM
jackk: Have you even read anything he has written? Have you even taken a moment to consider his arguments? No, of course not. Wake up and grow up.

contrary1
05-06-09 11:12 AM
In the 70's I thought a rooftop highway would have been great. I also thought it would be cool to have access to natural gas on demand, just like Plattsburgh and Massena. When it is commonly understood that humanity must change it's ways to survive, a push is underway for a gas pipeline and a roof top highway. Now that mass consumption of fossil fuels is going out of style, our leaders are working toward justifying our continued use of them, for the forseeable future. 30 years ago, it could have revitalized the business community. Today, it looks like they're protecting their revenue stream. People think they don't understand? I think they understand all too well. They don't care.

contrary1
05-06-09 10:30 AM
Does it matter whether the people of Miami turn into refugees due to global warming or climate change? Can our oil based economy of war and death, be causing an increase in the rate of climate change? Eliminating "for profit" wars, might help too. One of the reasons our manufacturing sector was moved to foreign shores, was to make it harder to upset the status quo when "peak oil" hits. Profits. What this man is saying, has been said repeatedly since the early 70's. That's what makes hemp such a viable alternative in a more agrarian society. Anti-environmentalists and eco-developers see the handwriting on the wall, so places like Malone are frantically expanding their borders. Establishing their sprawl boundaries now, prevents enviro-challenges later. The longer they keep it stalemated, the more profits they make when change happens. If civilization suffers first, they'll blame God and say, "I told you so!" Then retire to their pristine Adirondack Great Ca

mowretired
05-05-09 8:34 PM
Iman, Do you? I waited all day for the usual suspects to make their usual counterproductive, negative,narrow minded and outrageous attempt at comments...Well let's just say you exceeded my expectations. You've out done yourselves with your ignorance.

BlackIce
05-05-09 7:10 PM
First he say's that " Wal-Mart, which relies on a great deal of oil-based transportation because its cheap products are made in China, will begin to falter in the near future when oil makes transportation costs soar.". Then he say's, " Trains and ships are much more efficient than trucks for transporting large quantities of products.". Does this guy have a clue what he is even saying?

BlackIce
05-05-09 5:07 PM
What are you going to do? Environmentalists are against green energy now.

DW12983
05-05-09 3:49 PM
Fear monger extraordinaire! This pseudo-scientist has no more knowledge of things to come than any one of us. His books and lectures are based on HIS interpretation of flawed evidence that is biased in its context. Even the UN’s commission of climate change has dropped “Global Warming” from its rhetoric and shifted to the more precise name, Climate Change. Only Obama and the Socialists continue to try and push the “Global Warming” rhetoric.

adkerforever
05-05-09 3:19 PM
Excellent coverage of Kunstler talk last night...except that the last sentence is misquoted. What he actually said was that this country, and many others, are "stuck in a psychology of previous INVESTMENT." That is, we're so imbedded in our way of life that we cannot even contemplate, much less accept, the fact that we will soon be forced to drastically alter our lifestyles.

Jundokanarts
05-05-09 2:57 PM
I think Jim Kunstler is absolutely right. Our Society as we know it is dependent on finite resources. What happens when something is rare? It goes up in price. How would you like to pay $200.00 to fill up your SUV? It's coming. If you think our economy is in bad shape now just wait. The USA increasingly manufactures less and less. Our biggest area of employment is in the service sector and that is shrinking rapidly. I think Ben Bernanke is on drugs if he truly thinks this economy will bounce back in 2009.

jackkk
05-05-09 2:34 PM
This man is a wild eyed algore loving enviro-nazi extremist.

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