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Young people aren’t so into killing animals

POSTED: May 13, 2008

To the editor:

A recent article raised concern over the future of hunting and fishing opportunities throughout New York due to the increasing age of the typical hunter and angler (“Declining sportsman population would hurt Conservation Fund,” 5/2). The average age of these “sportsmen” is increasing because hunting and fishing no longer appeal to the younger generation, which has shown for the most part to be uninterested in killing animals for recreation.

According to data supplied by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, since 1996 the number of anglers and hunters in New York has decreased by more than 25 percent and 5 percent, respectively. This has been occurring because sportsmen who choose to interact with wildlife in violent ways are dying or otherwise dropping out of the sport faster than new hunters and anglers can be recruited. Despite the waning interest in the blood sports, nonviolent forms of outdoor recreation are becoming more popular every year; hunting and fishing have been declining in popularity as wildlife watching in the state has been showing encouraging growth.

Rather than depending on hunting and fishing to support its programs, the state DEC should look to wildlife watching as a way to raise badly needed revenue. New York’s wildlife watchers outnumber the state’s hunters and anglers combined by more than two to one, and with a little creativity on the part of the DEC these hobbyists could easily support programs to preserve and protect wildlife and wildlife habitats.

By placing a surcharge on the cost of cameras, binoculars and other equipment used by wildlife watchers, the DEC could collect more revenue than they currently pull in from the sale of weapons, ammunition and hunting/fishing licenses. With a new, secure source of funding, the DEC would no longer be tied financially to the weapons industry and could forever get out of the business of promoting violence toward wildlife. Simultaneously, federal law could be changed so that the excise taxes collected from the sale of weapons and ammunition are used to help the victims of gun violence and their families. By making these changes, both wildlife and people would benefit and we would bring about a less violent world.

To learn what you can do to help end the DEC’s dependence on violence and killing, please visit www.AbolishSportHunting.com.

Joe Miele, president

Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting

Maywood, N.J.
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Blogster
05-18-08 10:59 AM
If eating meat is so terrible, why do we all have canine teeth? Here is a direct quote from Wikipedia: "For example, plant matter is hard to digest, so herbivores have many molars for chewing. Carnivores, on the other hand, need canines to kill and tear meat."

So, I'm thinking that if we weren't intended to eat meat, we would have more molars and no canine teeth.

Now, on to hunting...More deer starve and die by cars than by a hunters weapon. It is a known fact that the deer population in NY has grown to the point that they are becoming a nuisance, endangering the roads we drive our families on.

The irony of all this is that if it wasn't for hunting deer, more of them would die from car impacts and starvation -- both of which are much more cruel ways to die than by a hunters weapon.

One more irony; as the population continues to grow and since deer are truly herbivores (they possess no canine teeth), they will simply eat up all your nuts, berries, etc.

TJDILLON
05-16-08 2:06 PM
yogachandra13...You may be right but, when the plants are ripped from the soil and fruit is ripped from the trees they also pick up this. Biggest problem with a veggie lifestyle is still all the chemicals you ingest so your body meets its needs. All those suplaments come from dead animal parts and are processed in plants that MAY add anything to them.

NativeTransplant
05-16-08 1:44 PM
What I actually read in a scientific jounal just 3 days ago was that scientists are borrowing genetic code from plants and using them in animals, a testament to the fact that life is life and the differences between animal and plant is some sort of man-made construction based on our human affinity for furry things.

For the record, I think plants are just as delicious as animals, and especially when eaten in conjunction with.

yogachandra13
05-16-08 11:07 AM
youknow - you'll see this published in scientific journals in a few years from now. the process i'm describing is on a genetic cell level. vedic seers in former civilizations learned this and our current scientist are on the best track to (re-) find out. so again, this is not you and me, but the development and effect of meat eating over generations. thanks for asking

adkerforever
05-16-08 10:25 AM
Dr.Spin - I'm actually employed by a conservation group - but thank you for urging myself and others to "get our hands dirty." That's exactly what we need - more people involved in our efforts, especially young people - who are disappearing from the woods and have lost their sense of civic duty. We need a comprehensive campaign to inspire and engage the youth of today to become active voices for fish/wildlife/land/energy conservation efforts.

YouKnowImRight
05-16-08 9:22 AM
Yoga- While I admire your pacifist attitude, which the world could certainly use more of, I would like you to cite your sources for the statements you made regarding the corellation between eating meat and violent behavior. I eat meat just about every day and the only swings I take are at blackflys.

yogachandra13
05-16-08 8:30 AM
I think the meateaters might have missed this paragraph below, so let me repeat:

Imagine a society that does not eat meat, I doubt people in it would be as aggressive, possessive, fearful and egotistic as we are today.

These negative qualities are all directly transferred from the meat to the meat eaters.

The cells in the meat retain these qualities (fear, anger, greed, etc.) during their last breath in the slaughterhouse or as wild animals are stabbed, shot, electrocuted or however else they are being killed and dismembered.

TJDILLON
05-15-08 8:19 PM
Darn, been trying to hold my tongue. Just have to say that certain people in this thread are as silly as the original letter writer. Ms Yoga, your fruits, nuts and berries need to be transported too. Why not save gas and help the fight against global warming by fishing with us? You just might enjoy the sunlight. Or at least you might acquire a taste for milfoil.

DrSpin
05-15-08 6:41 PM
You berry biters are missing the point:

- It's not "sport" hunting. We eat it. Call it subsistence hunting. - Hunters and anglers are virtually the only taxpayers supporting conservation of all kinds. Example: every US Wildlife refuge was purchased and is managed by hunter dollars. - That's not counting the hundreds of thousands of acres of land purchased and managed by hunters/anglers through Ducks Unlimited, for instance, that benefit the phallaropes and frogs as much as the mallards. - The spandex sport industry has repeatedly beaten back attempts to create an excise tax devoted to conservation.

And adkerforever (among others), you don't have to wait for an excise tax. Send $ to your favorite bonafide conservation group (and I don't mean PETA) as sportsmen do to the tune of hundreds of millions per year.

Or get your hands dirty by helping out at a Trout Unlimited or Ducks Unlimited conservation project! You might actually enjoy the company of REAL conservationists!

Outdoorsgirl
05-15-08 4:55 PM
ignoranceisweak,

Per your comment regarding hunting and fishing as a sick need for control- Your right as far as control, yes we do management, but as far as sick, that's just a cheap stab of ignorance. You have not a clue the wonderful feeling of putting the freshest, organic, hormone-free meat on your own dinner table for your family. For those of us that do eat meat it's not going to waste in which case it would if there was no hunting at all and I as an American am entitled to that right just as you are with your freedom of speech.

As far as fish and fishing, where do you find that sick and controlling? Fish meat is good for you as far as health is concerned. Maybe I'm just being typical...

As for yogachandra, If gas prices are going to affect commercial and industrial meat I would think then that those of us that hunt and fish close to our homes that we would be saving money as long as we do processing ourselves

NativeTransplant
05-15-08 2:44 PM
Indeed, ignoranceisweak... what a bold screen name for someone making such ignorant statements.

How many deer would die of starvation if hunters didn't hunt? Maybe you would volunteer to feed them some of your granola to get them through the winter?

yogachandra13
05-15-08 2:42 PM
….anyway, (supermarket) meat will soon become unaffordable to average Americans as gas prices increase and we realize we’re spending all our valuable energy (water, gas/diesel, people power, equipment) for a little hunk of fatty flesh that is dangerous to our health.

As for eating the animals in our woods and streams, I truly believe that man and womankind is evolving into more sensitive beings who realize how unnecessary it is to intentionally kill anything at all.

Imagine a society that does not eat meat, I doubt people in it would be as aggressive, possessive, fearful and egotistic as we are today. These negative qualities are all directly transferred from the meat to the meat eaters. The meat incepted these qualities in the slaughterhouse or as wild animals are stabbed, shot, electrocuted or however else they are being killed.

YouKnowImRight
05-15-08 1:51 PM
Strong is your ignorance, Ignoranceisweak- Your comment "Also, these days, the only excuse for hunting and fishing is the sick need for control that some unfortunate people have." I would suggest that the real issue is your lack of respect and understanding for those of us who have a different viewpoint-If you don't want to hunt/fish/eat meat, fine that's your prerogative, but don't buttonhole thoise of us that do partake in the aforementioned as control freaks- I fish because I enjoy the water-catch and relaes 95% of the fish I catch and eat the rest-that's a bad thing? Give me a break or move to Jersey with Joe the eco-nazi.

ignoranceisweak
05-15-08 12:58 PM
Has anybody noticed how common colon cancer has become? It's even more common in men. Why? Because men, statistically, eat more meat than women. Our bodies are not designed to digest meat, and when we do, it sits in our colon and rots... poisoning our cells. It's a vicious cycle.

As for eating "twigs and berries", why is it a bad thing to eat healthy food that our bodies can easily digest? So many of the words in these comments are spoken like truly threatened people. They're defensive because THEY have not chosen a healthier lifestyle, and they'll get pissy and snap right back. Typical.

Also, these days, the only excuse for hunting and fishing is the sick need for control that some unfortunate people have.

yogachandra13
05-15-08 9:44 AM
uunotme - i apologize for calling you uuuto.

UUNOTME
05-14-08 3:32 PM
yogachandra13...name calling will get you no where. Also, being a veggie is not evolving. It's de-evolving back to a primitive state when homoerectus were to weak to compete for meat. One more thing, most veggie’s are sickly looking when they're young and don't do well at anything but mind games. (not the kind that takes intelligence either)

AdirondackCitizen
05-14-08 1:31 PM
To call hunting and fishing "blood sports" is over-the-top melodramatic and at the same time so incredibly naive it doesn't deserve to be addressed. But a charge for watching wildlife? This is dumb beyond belief and the guy is actually serious: "DEC should look to wildlife watching as a way to raise badly needed revenue" by using "a little creativity" a.k.a. additional taxes. Earth to Joe - we have deer here that beg for food so blatantly they should be charged with vagrancy! I'll be*******if I'm gonna pay a fee every time some panhandling whitetail won't get the*****out of my way! And what about the things that fly or pass by me every day? Am I supposed to start counting them and sending in a voluntary payment? Good luck with that.

adkerforever
05-14-08 10:43 AM
(continued)....industrio-burger at the grocery store.

And Dr. Spin - I would gladly pay a tax on the outdoor gear that I buy if it went to fund conservation programs. I would also strongly support a fee permit system for certain backcountry areas in the Adirondacks, with the money going to conservation funds, most notably the High Peaks - which have been ravaged and overrun free-of-charge by peak-bagging hiker-types for decades. Most "spandex sport participants," including myself, could easily afford to pay a small fee (similair to a hunting/fishing license) in order to gain access to the most popular Forest Preserve areas.

adkerforever
05-14-08 10:35 AM
I must agree with the pro-hunters above and most of their viewpoints. Although I do not support so-called "sport-hunting." I grew up hunting, fishing, caneoing and camping in the North Country (a 6th generation resident) - but as a got older I became more interested in sports like climbing, biking, and skiing...So I guess I'm one of those "spandex sport participants." Either way, I've always supported subsistence hunting and fishing and know from personal experience that many families hunt to put food on the table. I too like to know where my food comes from and what chemicals it contains - that's why I buy organic/local vegetables and other products and steer clear of meat that is "farmed" in some industrial feedlot. I no longer hunt, but I gladly accept venison and other game meat from relatives and friends who still do - and find comfort in knowing that someone put effort into procuring it, rather than picking up some plastic-wrapped industrio-bur

YouKnowImRight
05-14-08 10:18 AM
YogaChandra-You make me giggle too, although I respect your right to be a vegetarian, you must respect my right to eat prime rib, burgers and of course, Hoffman hot dogs-my gosh I'm salivating at the thought! Darn primitive Pavlovian response!

YouKnowImRight
05-14-08 10:09 AM
Dear Joe, Your letter and theories are nothing but pure unadulterated hogwash. I don't hunt, but I respect those that do and their right to do so responsibly. For many it puts food in the freezer and on the table. You may not understand that, but people up North need food too-not as many vegetarian restaurants up here as in Jersey, I guess. Numbers of sportsmen are declining and all the research points to kids just haqving way more things on the menu than they did a generation ago. Video games, interscholastic sports, and computers are among the main reasons. The decline has little to do with lack of interest in killing-if that was the case kids wouldn't be buying millions of copies of Mortal Kombat and Grand Theft Auto that simulate death and violence. So Joe, go back to school and do your homework. Responsible sportsmen and women take care of the environment too and probably care more about it's creatures than the eco-nazis who try and legislate by fear and mistruths.

yogachandra13
05-14-08 10:05 AM
uuuto - i don't want to discuss philosophy here, but (most of) mankind is evolving, and eating the meat of animals just cannot be excused any longer, ethically and environmentally. I understand the recycling argument with which you justify the flesh eating habit, but there is such a thing as karma (we should be trying to reduce karma not increase it). (This meat-eating thing is really gross, meateaters strike me as some kind of satanic cult or zombie movie).

UUNOTME
05-13-08 5:42 PM
yogachandra13....don't the plants you eat die? They are living and "breathing". Also, the fruits and nuts are no different than eating eggs. They are all "unborn" facsimilies of the original. No matter what is used to substain a life it is recycled life of another living thing. In conclusion, we all kill to live.

DrSpin
05-13-08 2:30 PM
It's too bad Joe has his head in the sand on other issues because his contention that tree-huggers and other non-consumptive users finally pay their fair share is timely and logical. And naive.

Unfortunately, spandex sport participants, their industry as a whole, and little-old-ladies-in-tennis shoes who watch wildlife refuse to tax themselves as hunters and anglers did way back during the depression to fund wildlife management at the federal level (and in most states) ... whether we can shoot/hook and eat it or not.

If Joe spent some time in the woods, he'd realize "sportsmen" don't hunt for recreation alone, although that's part of it. We eat the free-range, pesticide-free, hormone-free, sustainable game and fish we kill. We are the original locavores.

Joe's contention that young people would rather fiddle with a joystick in their living room is also disingenuous. They DON'T want to eat twigs and leaves. Give 'em a Big Mac and they're glad to eat dead things!

yogachandra13
05-13-08 11:36 AM
Joe, thank you for clarifying. Let's stop this meat eating business altogether.

NativeTransplant: "I feel bad for kids who don't understand where the meat on their plate came from -- it's kind of sick to think they don't realize something died for their dinner. That's what makes it so delicious!" - - that's a horrible thought, especially when nothing really needs to die to feed that child.

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