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Stop dithering and reopen railroad plan

September 23, 2013

Public meetings on the great Adirondack rail-vs.-trail debate had already begun when people learned that the state hasn’t even decided whether to open this can of worms....

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concerned

Sep-23-13 11:21 AM

maybe you can better understand the feelings of the average adirondacker now. we put up with this every day in one way or another. yes we lose our temper and act rudely now and then, but continually being frustrated is not pleasant.....we've got to many non adirondackers bullying their way so that we can be an area that they want

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DW12983

Sep-23-13 12:38 PM

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt! This paper would serve it's readers better if the Editorials would put forth the actual steps this proceedure faces. For almost two years you have been the publicity wing of ARTA and denied to investigate the facts. Once opened to review the UMP MUST reflect changes in the laws governing land use. It is not a simple process, as ARTA and you would have us believe. It is complex with many twists and turns. The one sure fact is that if the UMP is changed from a rail road right of way to a set of trails with no rails it would trigger APA involvement and the DOT, along with their designation of as a "Travel Corrider" would be gone. Also, seeing as though ARTA has misled the signers of their petitions and the local Government Bodies the petitions and resolutions will be deemed irrelavent.

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Unbelievable

Sep-23-13 2:51 PM

Well Pete I see you are at it again that bored with the news up there that you have to start attaching Dr. Richards again!! You have already done enough false information from your so called sources and you still have to print more. What do you care if he has a job somewhere else he is not in Lake Placid anymore for you guys to bully and harass. Just to set the record straight - he was cleared of all charges from the commissioner as there was no merit to the claim and she gave false information about him, but hey if you don't believe me ask Linda Wallace for a copy she got one telling her that way back in June, you don't print that info do you because it is accurate information and makes that small minded group of evil people look bad and we can't have that. Congratulations Dr. Richards to spite all the malicious attach from the Lake Placid people you were able to survive and other people with the proper information of hard copies of the truth are able to see beyond that.

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bjccd5

Sep-23-13 8:35 PM

There goes DW blowing smoke again...choo-choo...!Please stop trying to convince people you know you are talking about! Now follow close: IF (and a big if) NYSDOT and DEC decide to re-open the UMP for a formal review, it will absolutely be filled with complex twists and turns. But that absolutely DOES NOT mean the new UMP language and therefore usage, mean a trail designation could not fit into a "travel corridor". So all your time preaching that ARTA is misleading it's membership is false and bordering slanderous. Stick to your opinion and leave it at that......Let the process workout w/ out your "Sure Facts" that are anything but...... Butt!!!!

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bjccd5

Sep-23-13 8:40 PM

and Pete, great to hear an editorial again addressing the rail/trail debate. Have you hopped off the fence to one side or the other? Why not? or which side are you supporting? Was told years ago editorial pieces were for opinion. What is it????

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DW12983

Sep-23-13 10:39 PM

bj...you are missing a very important point. The corridor is a ROW. Once the rails go so does the ROW. (Federal Law) The land under the rails goes back to the land owner that the ROW passes through. That means it no longer is under DOT it comes under DEC and APA. The current UMP is null. Also, according to NYS precident any land that moves from the ROW to potntial trail use is offered to State Agencies, Prisons, Manicipalities, DOT etc for use prior to general use. Also don't forget that their has been land use classification changes from the purchase of land by NYS. Lows Lake is now a Primative area which excludes motorized vehicles and bicycles on trails through the areas.

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DW12983

Sep-23-13 10:43 PM

Even if the rails remain bj, a new state law, which will have to be included in any UMP change, precludes snow mobile use on operating rail roads. The legal definition of an operating rail road is one that a train or maintenance vehicles travels on occasionally. So if the UMP is opened bye bye snow machines and bikes.

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DW12983

Sep-23-13 10:46 PM

ARTA, specifically Mr. McCauley and Mr Keet has had this information for almost two years and have ignored it. Also the Enterprise has had it and ignored it.

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vendor

Sep-24-13 6:36 PM

We didn't ignore your information, we just have several lawyers that have a different opinion than yours. I am not aware of the law school you attended. Since we used a former DOT/DEC/APA attorney plus I had my personal attorney review our position we feel confident. This will all be hashed out not on the comment section of the ADE. Hopefully when that's done your strange obsession will be over.

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DW12983

Sep-24-13 10:20 PM

Vendor, if it has been reviewed by lawyers then why up to last week did you falsely claim that DOT had a "Fee Deed" to the corridor? The corridor is a designation DOT placed on the ROW to which they have a deed. Makes a huge difference. Why? Becouse a rail road ROW falls under Federal and State Rail Road Law, a "Corridor" falls under civil law. But in either case once abandoned it no longer falls under DOT.

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DW12983

Sep-24-13 10:23 PM

Vendor if you had read the Rails to Trails guidelines for trail conversion you would know what I'm talking about. BTW, what happened to the support Rails to Trails was providing? Why wasn't their Rep at any of the hearings? Hmmmmmmmmmmm......

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Buford

Sep-25-13 4:25 PM

The train is a joke now and it has been all the way back to the 60's. Get rid of it and the rails. Then use the land for something we can all use. Hiking, biking, walking and snowmobiling. The train has been a toy for a few people long enough.

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bjccd5

Sep-25-13 10:41 PM

The Saranac Lake Village board has CHICKENED-OUT of the entire process which has started. They have chose to sit back and wait! WHAT!!! It is crucial to take a stance as this is precisely what DOT and DEC are trying to decide in regard to opening the UMP again (which should have done years ago). Forget about your personal feelings Barb Rice and Paul Vancott, do what your community majority wishes. Do your DUTY!!!

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bjccd5

Sep-25-13 10:48 PM

Kudos to TL and the board for taking a stance that represents the majority of it's community!!!!!! Too bad Saranac Lake doesn't have the balls to do the same!!!!!!!!

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DW12983

Sep-26-13 10:19 PM

Bj...like I said, with all the misinformation ARTA has put forth, DOT WILL NOT accept the resolutions or petitions. SL board is right to wait and see what DOT comes up with before endorseing anything. One things for sure, snowmobiling along the ROW will end if the UMP is reopened.

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DW12983

Sep-26-13 10:19 PM

Bj...like I said, with all the misinformation ARTA has put forth, DOT WILL NOT accept the resolutions or petitions. SL board is right to wait and see what DOT comes up with before endorseing anything. One things for sure, snowmobiling along the ROW will end if the UMP is reopened.

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