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Opting out is just one option for tests

April 13, 2013

Nearly a month ago, we wrote here that a group of Saranac Lake Central School parents had legitimate concerns over the way standardized testing is being handled these day....

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banned2

Apr-13-13 8:06 AM

Close the public schools and give the parents the 20k a year we spend on education.

You'd see the best teachers quit the Unions and start charters.

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concerned123

Apr-13-13 9:34 AM

Just to clarify something: the state tests aren't the only thing the school looks at to determine remediation in reading and math. Schools must look at 2 or 3 different tests to determine whether a child is in AIS/RTI. Also, teachers aren't teaching any new material while students are receiving remediation in reading and math.

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wondering

Apr-13-13 9:36 AM

Well Banned you're only about 10% off, not bad for you. NYS avg. is 18,600 but that is skewed by NYC and given that teacher salaries up here are lower than state avg. it's most likely significantly less.

Home schooling is an option for those who can do it but charter schools are mostly a bust with a large percentage performiong much worse than public schools.

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banned2

Apr-13-13 10:00 AM

How about union free? The Union free schools in Nassau and Suffolk county's typically do much better then others.

Keep the fire on the polititions , they made the promises we are having trouble keeping.

If you only had the money spent to reelect .....

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bjccd5

Apr-13-13 11:50 AM

I can't really blame those who choose to 'opt out' of the testing; However, be prepared for the collateral damage potential you are doing to the funding future of SLCSD. There are other ways to get education reformed w/out rebelling.

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bjccd5

Apr-13-13 11:57 AM

Testing on subject matter that hasn't yet been taught is a real concern regarding these standardized tests. Complaining about the students being "Stressed" over long testing is nonsense. Part of our societal issues are directly due to not knowing how to cope w/ 'Stressful situations'. Every walk of life, from being a santitation worker, McDonalds worker, waiter, dishwasher, teacher, business owner, military, CEO of a blue chip company....even unemployed, all have stressful situations. Learn to cope w/ stress folks, it's part of our culture. Running from or protecting our kids from stress is damaging!

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wondering

Apr-14-13 9:39 AM

bj, Please give one instance where rulers and the corporate interests they serve have given up a profitable for them but dysfunctional for the rest of us situation without a rebellion. Standardized testing serves no one but the corporations who produce and market the tests. It has a negative effect on the quality of education that our students receive.

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urkiddingme

Apr-14-13 4:59 PM

I am curious to find out if the Sate Testing was taken out of the equation totally, how would the teachers be teaching differently? The material still needs to be taught and learned. Also, some of these same parents "opting out" are the same parents that were the first to petition the School Board for keeping our Arts program. Please keep in mind that should we lose any more of our funding because our students aren't taking the exams, the Art programs will be looked at for future cuts. Along with many other programs that don't deserve the cuts. As far as stress, life is full of it, we need to teach our children how to cope and not whine about it.

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banned2

Apr-15-13 9:03 AM

If 95% or less do not test they (the schools) may get outside intervention...

You do need to test so future education can be taylored to the individual

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wondering

Apr-15-13 11:55 AM

It would be great if the tests did help determine how best to reach each individual. However they do nothing of the kind, nor do they, to my knowledge, even pretend that is an intention or outcome of the tests.

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bjccd5

Apr-16-13 8:19 PM

Wondering: Standardized testing is a must in order to measure student knowledge in a whole type scenario. Every business measures profit and education is no different. Our current problem is quite convoluted; Starting with our very own Education department outsourcing the tests. National standards are just that and anyone who pretends grading on curves fixes the results is from Mars. Teachers are at such a disadvantage these days that the quality of classroom instuction is at an alltime low because they have to teach to test result standard which eliminates creativity and passion!

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Adirondack

Apr-18-13 6:53 PM

I am so tired of the flippant arrogant attitude of our superintendent, who will walk out of here in 2 months will walk out of our district leaving a mess. I am also very disturbed with the comments to the press by the Petrova Elementary Principal. Lest us not forget, the principal will also be evaluated by how his or her students will do on the tests. Hats off to Mrs. Lindsay, principal of Bloomingdale, who from what I can see has approached the testing professionally and with a level head. I just hope she is not sanctioned because of the inappropriate comments and behavior of the Petrova principal. The common core standards did not just appear. It has been many years of study and evaluating of data that our students graduating from high school are entering college taking remedial English and Math, with the success rate being low. The common core standards are meant to raise the standards and increase the skills and knowledge of our students to be successful.

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bjccd5

Apr-18-13 9:31 PM

Adirondack: there are two Principals at Petrova. So, to whom are you suggesting has engaged in inappropriate comments and behavior?

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Adirondack

Apr-19-13 3:53 AM

The one who gave a lengthy interview on the radio!

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wondering

Apr-19-13 8:46 AM

bj, I agree with your observations. However all schools have standards and tests to measure whether they are being met. Poor teachers and incompetent administrators know how to get around them and standardized tests purchased by the state from corporate sources won't change that. There are other ways to determine education effectiveness. One might be to note how many of a school's graduates who go on to college require remedial courses before they can take college level coursework.

All of us had a mix of good and poor teachers during our education. That's true throughout education from elementary right on through to grad degrees. Those of us who are motivated and have goals seem to manage to learn what we need. How can failing to even be able to make change or write an intelligible sentence be anything else but an indication of a person's laziness.

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