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Trigger happy cops

October 30, 2013 - John Stack
I’ve had many good- and bad – discussions with people on each side of the gun debate. No guns, some guns, some restrictions, no restrictions. Regardless of my personal stance, I am often portrayed as taking away people’s guns. Regardless. I write today about the tragedy involving a 13 year old boy who was shot and killed by cops who mistook his pellet gun for an AR-15. To me, the tragedy was that this boy had a gun that looked a lot like a serious assault rifle and died because of it. The story says the cops asked him twice to drop the gun, and he turned towards them and lifted the gun instead. A lot went through these cops heads in those very few seconds. The decision to fire or not to fire will be the hardest decision these men ever make in their life – and they had a couple seconds to make it.

While discussing this, one of the other people cavalierly laid the blame at the officers’ feet, calling them “trigger happy cops”. Had this been the first time I heard this, I would have passed it off as ignorance, but it wasn’t the first time. I’ve had a number of people mention the same sentiment. The twist is their reasoning was not as expected. One would think possibly that a gun control advocate would be the one complaining about the overuse of violence, guns and force in situations where it wasn’t needed (possibly). But each of the people I’ve heard this from are vociferous gun rights advocates.

When Rep Gabrielle Giffords was shot back in 2011, some gun rights activists argued that there should be more lenient gun laws in Arizona because of this (even though the laws were lenient enough at this event, it would not have been illegal to be carrying a firearm). Or as Wayne LaPierre of the NRA would say “ we need more good guys with guns”. It was a tragedy when 6 other were killed at this time. But, had a citizen been there, would he or she have been able to stop this? It was a large crowd of people all close in together. Unless standing right on top of the guy, who would have been certain to stop the gunman and not kill many other bystanders? I had argued that a vigilante might very well have killed many more bystanders, other gun carryers would not know if he was a good guy or bad, and possibly the tragedy could have been truly a massacre. I don’t know what would have happened. Maybe the shooter would have been killed with one well placed shot. But, I also know cops have missed quite often and wounded and killed innocent bystanders. My argument is that if trained professionals miss (often) what does the everyday Joe 6 shot have to make it better?

When I think of people I want to have guns in a serious situation, I think of 2 groups – police officers and our armed services men and women. These are people who are trained to de-escalate a situation, ones who every day come in harm’s way and have to make informed split second decisions. Yet, I have friends who will swear up and down that the cops are the worst at this. This is mind boggling to me. If I was concealed carrying at the Winter Carnival Gala Parade, and I saw what I thought was a gun crime happen, would I be the one who could stop him from 50 meters away, or would I prefer Sergeant Jimmy Law of the SLPD (and Iraq war vet) taking care of the situation in a manner that was safe?

There are things officers do that most don’t know about. More people attempt or contemplate suicide daily than you can imagine. Every one of them that has to be taken from the scene to the hospital, has to be taken by an officer, in cuffs. A friend of mine works in these situations and has told me all the local cops have been incredible in these circumstances. These people may be frightened, agitated, screaming, crying and she tells me our local cops have always been more than kind and gentle to these people, and understand the situation better than I or you could ever deal with.

Every time a cop pulls over a car, every time they get called to a domestic incident, a fight at a bar, a cop knows he or she may have to unholster a weapon, and maybe shoot. He or she almost never has to, and almost never even draws their gun. But, they face these situations each and every day, or possibly every day. I have NEVER been in this situation. I think I am at least as level headed as most, but I will never be in the league of the most junior of police officers when it comes to reacting in the most safe manner in a gun shooting crisis.

There are many valid arguments to be made on the many sides of gun control. To claim that cops are part of the problem because of their lack of training and trigger-happiness (?) is to really discredit the whatever argument you are trying to make.

 
 

Article Comments

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goosecutioner

Nov-16-13 9:30 PM

DW12983 that is because bjccd5 is an individual who has no concept of logic but loves to call everyone else lost in space and out of touch if their ideals are not his. He/She also hates statistics, math and somehow believes he has some grand business sense and is an expert in how schools should run. More likely just Probably needs a hug.

DW12983

Nov-16-13 12:13 PM

bj....you make little sense. I love how you never have or give any verifiable statistics. You also love to hold your final comments until the discussion is over then criticize the other commenter's with a final thought. And there is nothing wrong with kids playing with plastic guns when young, then moving on to BB guns and air soft guns when mature enough. Once they reach 16 or the legal age they should be allowed to use any gun with training by a parent or organization. It's actually worse if they learn to use guns through video games or game rooms. The responsible use of guns is not learned through these fantasy games.

Nov-14-13 9:02 PM

Now, in tis day and age, any parent who allows a child to possess a replica gun that looks like an assault riffle and then allows them to walk out on the street with such, should be charged with negligence and sent away!

Nov-14-13 9:00 PM

iman05, you are correct. DW always has to have the last word and is never wrong. You are correct in you assertion regarding training and ability to de-escalate irrational situations. 95% of our law enforcement are quality people with highly trained and educated critical thinking skills. DW will never consider reality. Are there bad cops? of course. Are there innocent victims every day? of course. This is not specific to law enforcement. Research medical mal-practice, you'll find the same stats. Research military mishaps, same stats. It is what it is.

DW12983

Nov-14-13 7:35 PM

Ok, if you really mean that you feel "My point is that most every cop on the beat has significantly more training in de-escalating one of these situations than most anyone not in law enforcement" and that "their lack of training and trigger-happiness (?) is to really discredit the whatever argument you are trying to make" then why do these incidents happen so often? I can go on and on with names of innocents. What's most troubling is that most of the "Innocent" victims are minorities who speak little or no english or children. Also the involved officers are members of a city PD. Go to innocentdown dot org for some of their stories.

goosecutioner

Nov-09-13 4:10 PM

I would rather protect myself with my guns than wait for the cops to show up to clean up my corpse.

Nov-08-13 2:35 PM

DW- I understand there are times when it isn't perfect, and not all cops are perfect. My point is that most every cop on the beat has significantly more training in de-escalating one of these situations than most anyone not in law enforcement. They are less apt to lose their cool, or act irrationally than most anyone I know. I will take my chances with a cop protecting me than a vigilante with a gun any day of the week.

goosecutioner

Nov-04-13 9:53 PM

If a kid lifts a realistic looking replica weapon at cops he is asking to die just like in the book the outsiders. It is sad, it is cruel and those cops will have to live with that the rest of their lives yet what other choice did they have? Even if it was a "revolver" or "derringer" the fact is they need to defend themselves as they were trained to and that is what they did.

DW12983

Oct-31-13 4:48 PM

With cops like the one who shot the mentally ill man in Texas it is easy to say some are trigger happy. *******rt****/usa/dallas-police-shoot-mentally-ill-694/

"Officer Cardan Spencer claimed last week that he shot Bobby Gerald Bennett, a 52-year-old man suffering from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, only when Bennett made an effort to attack Spencer and another officer with a knife. Yet video captured by a neighbor’s surveillance camera clearly shows that Bennett was standing yards away from the police when Spencer opened fire, hitting the man in the abdomen."

 
 

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